Welcome to the Curated Confidence, the space where beauty meets truth and confidence isn't just talked about, it's built. And no, not with a filter. I'm English Black, PA, med spa owner, aesthetic coach, and a woman who has walked through fire to stand in her power. If you're here, chances are you're not just chasing a glow up. You're craving a life that feels unapologetically your own. This podcast is about what it really takes to own your story, embody your worth, and express your beauty from the inside out. Not for perfection, not for applause, but because you're done abandoning yourself for everyone else. Each week, I'll bring you real talk, mindset shifts, and the kind of unapologetic truths that help you curate confidence, not just in the mirror, but in how you move through the world. You ready? Let's get into it. Renee Warren is an award-winning entrepreneur, angel investor, speaker, and author with an extraordinary gift for recognizing and bringing out the greatness in others. Girl after my own heart. As the host of the celebrated show Into the Wild, a business podcast ranking in the top 1% globally, she delivers powerful solo insights and curates in-depth conversations with female entrepreneurs that inspire action and change. After years of envisioning a transformative space for ambitious women, she brought the Pink Skirt Project into life, an immersive gathering where women redefine success on their terms. I am happy to benefit from this group. And they are surrounded by an an electric community of cheerleaders and collaborators. Drawing from over 25 years of entrepreneurial experience, including building and selling agencies, Renee is known for her magnetic energy and fearless pursuit of what's possible. When she's not amplifying women's voices, you'll find her crushing a workout, traveling the world, and enjoying adventures with her husband, Dan Martell, and her Irish twin sons. Welcome, Renee. Thanks for having me. I am so excited to Yes, me too. I love it. English, thank you so much. I'm honored to be here as I like glaze over my shoulder at some of the most iconic buildings in Europe here in Barcelona as You really are and I mean I'm so honored to have you here and that on European time to take time out to speak with us about your journey and how things have gone with you and so you're in Barcelona now and you've just checked off Prague and Paris. Yeah it's it's so fascinating I think that traveling especially if you can get outside of your own country is the biggest blessing, but also the best learning. So we're actually taking the show on the road and we're world schooling our boys. We have an online curriculum we're using and essentially like how you would show up in a different city, finding a coworking space, getting some work done is how the boys are doing their schooling. And we're finally getting settled. It's been three weeks in and we're finally figuring And it's so impressive. I mean, when I heard you were going to be homeschooling your kids on the road, I mean, first of all, when I heard homeschooling, I'm like, my kids would have nothing to do with my homeschooling. I already try to do my old school math in front of them. And it's immediately, Mom, you're doing it wrong. And I'm like, OK, show me how to do it right. And then then to do it on the road. It's so impressive. It's Well, yeah, well, so we hired a full time, I guess, educator to come with us. We call her an activities coordinator because she's more about making sure our kids are entertained and educated because of the program we chose for them for the school year. It's all self-directed. So they have a time, they start in the day, follow routine, go through the checklist, go through their subjects, prove their work to us. And then they checked it all off. They close it down. They can go and do their, their activities for the rest of the day. And yeah, it's so much fun. I think we joined them too. Like this afternoon, they went to this diabolical indoor trampoline park with all these crazy swings. And my husband's sending me videos of him doing it with them. Oh, my gosh, which would not happen at home. He what? Well, it wouldn't happen at home that he would just take the afternoon off. And And how special. I mean, it really is helping you guys live in the moment and be in the moment. And what a gift. What a free gift. Cause you guys go nonstop. So I love this for you. I I see. I'm the person that puts the brakes on. I pump the brakes because, because Dan is always floor, like foot to the floor, full on acceleration. And Like, don't you ever just want those moments to just reflect on how awesome that experience was? You kind of need that downtime to look forward to the next thing. And it's I mean, we're only what, three weeks in and it's already incredibly transformative. Yeah, well, and how special and wonderful that you can give, that you can give him that kind of feedback, and I'm sure you get feedback from him, and you guys hear each other, and it's received, and it's with good intention, and all of that, because that's not always easy for couples So there's like a set of standards and checklist things that we do for our family in order to optimize quality time together. And this trip is really like, like we have a playbook from like the moment we land into a new location. an Airbnb, what we're supposed to do, what everyone's supposed to do, getting the groceries, unpacking, like all the stuff, getting set up, your power stations set up, claiming a spot for your power plug, like all these things. So let's check, check, check, then you can move on to the next thing. So like, what would be really like unsexy to probably most people and following this checklist, because it's boring, actually creates the most amount of freedom in your days. Because when you're like, unpacked and settled, you're like, Hey, shoes on, let's go explore. And there's no worrying about stuff being not charged. And like, I don't know where we're going and what we're doing. It's like, now we have this capacity to figure out how we can optimize for Yeah. And we have, that's just so awesome. And you create the structures so that again, you have that time and it's not just chaos of grabbing butterflies. Right. Well, there are chaotic moments, Because my husband has been asking me for a decade to do this. And I just, I was like, yeah, I know he has been. And it's just, it was never appealing to me until finally one day he's like, are we doing that this year? I was like, yes, we are. He's like. Okay, where's my wife? Are you actually Renee? I had to do the work emotionally to be the person that can actually do this and travel the world. It sounds so glamorous, but there's so much that goes into it, like the amount of work that went into us. finding the school program for the boys, taking them out of school, ensuring they can go back to their schools when we go back, taking them out of their soccer programs, ensuring they can go back to training when we come back, finding training programs on the road, finding and hiring the educator, onboarding the educator, scheduling the trips, the flights, the Airbnbs. There's so much in every single day. There's probably about an hour's worth of work I can only imagine. And then you have the structure on top of it that you plan. I mean, it's so impressive. And what I love about this, too, is you both model so well the give and take that's really necessary for a healthy relationship where, you know, you're mentioning that you can give him the feedback of, hey, babe, slow down. And then he's like, come on, we're traveling the world. And, you know, you're more a natural tendency to put on the brakes. It's like, all right, let's do it. And how Well, I think that's like, if you believe in like marriage and sacred unions, the sacred union is like the epitome of a great marriage is you, you know, you can't put two identical people together and just hope that it's going to be a great relationship. You're attracted to opposites in a way because they're going to pull up a mirror to all of your insecurities and your weaknesses. Yep. And it's it never ends. It's continuous. Yeah, like we've had some really crazy things happen to us already on this trip that I'm absolutely floored by our lack of reaction to certain things like I'm not traumatized by certain things like our very first flight. out of Canada was cancelled. And I was like, dude, we have a whole year of getting on planes and our first flight was cancelled. I'm like, this is foreshadowing or this is like, like, what's up, God? And yeah, but it's like, It's kind of like in business too, when you like go through these like really tough times in business and you're like, why me? I don't understand how this is happening. And then you come out of it the other side. You're like, wow. Yeah. It wasn't that bad. And you survived and now you can teach other people and then you know what not to do next time. But did you, well, sometimes people die, unfortunately. Yeah. Um, but. For us, it's like, it's just it's so cool. And so all of these moments, because I was always looking for this confirmation bias of this like validation of pulling the ripcord and saying, Babe, we're going home. Because I have every reason on so many occasions to be like, right, this is not working the way that we envisioned. Yeah, not once did I say, I want to go home. because I realized this is the point. You're not going to sign up to go travel the world and world school your kids and think it's going to be easy, right? Think they're not going to lose luggage. You're not going to miss a flight. A flight's not going to be canceled. This stuff's inevitable. Yeah. And you're, It's just, so now it's like, yeah the point it is it is just like in our business just like in relationships it's as if the if you could make one universal truth would you agree that our work as people regardless as to the flavor it's learning to be okay with not being okay Right? I mean, getting comfortable with that, which is like basically get comfortable But like the, but the okayness is the through line at all. As long as you're not like super sick or get injured or die or something super terrible happens. It's like, at the end of the day, if you can replace your luggage, if it gets lost or stolen, if you can, you know, you can patch up a skin knee. Cause that happened to me falling down a flight of stairs. It's kind of like you look back on it and you laugh because it's just another like tick thing. I survived this. And now it's a story I can share. Yeah, yeah. And your evolution is proof of that. I mean, you have lived so much personal development and worn so many different hats as PR agency founder, entrepreneur, mother, now the co-founder or the founder of the Pink Skirt Project. Looking back, what part of your journey most shaped who Oh, there's not one thing one. Yeah. An example or two. I think like. honestly thinking that it was going to be easier than it really was. And then when I realized that if you got a big vision, like even me looking out over this beautiful architecture called Sagrada Familia, which is one of Gaudi's buildings that has, it is still under construction today. And the building started being built a hundred years ago. So he's essentially said, here's the vision for this building. And I probably going to die before it's done. So it's kind of like, it's just knowing that it's not going to be easy. It can't be easy because you're never proud of If everyone was like, I'm going to go do 10 sit-ups and I'm going to get a six pack, everyone would have a six pack. But if you're urging to like lose that extra 20 pounds, so eventually like reduce the inflammation to work out enough to actually get visible abs. It's like, you're so proud of it because it probably took one or two or five years. And so there's not one thing, there's an accumulation of massive things like being sued for wrongful dismissal, going through due diligence in my first business being acquired and realizing that our sales projections for ourselves had a higher potential than the earn out if the company did hire us. to eventually saying no to the offer to like the very next day my founder just To having to like close the doors to a business that was so incredibly lucrative. Yeah. Like heartbreak, losing a friend, sued for wrongful dismissal. And it's not that I wish this upon anybody, but you honestly cannot become a better CEO, a better founder, if you're not delivered crap It's so true, man. That's like the best way to say it ever. I know, I know, having lived through some very tear jerking, you know, gut wrenching events myself. I mean, it's like, and but when you when you're able to finally, though, accept and recognize that, hey, you know what, I've actually had to go through these things to become the person I need to be to get to the next level, then it's like a whole nother different dynamic. It doesn't feel, it can still feel heavy in moments, but you have, like you said, you have that bigger why to help be your North Star to guide you along the way and be like, Yeah, it's like you process the trauma, you literally shake it Yeah, yeah. And I love that concept of processing. I think it's so important, you know, it's important to feel our feelings, we need to honor them. But you just can't stay there and move on. And because what's the lesson learned, And that's like the difference between like the victim mentality and the people that say, Oh, this is happening for me. Yeah. And I know we can think of all the worst case scenarios of like, like I have this acquaintance of mine that used to be my boss way back in the day when I was doing promotions in Toronto to a firm marketing company. And I think like three or four months ago, he was on his motorcycle with his wife that someone T-booted them and they both actually had to have half of their left leg amputated. They suffered pretty much the exact same injuries. And they were put up in the same hospital room. They had the same surgery. It was just really interesting scenario. And not once did they say, oh, it sucks to be me. And they actually made light of the situation. And they're just like sharing their journey. And like, it's like, it's almost like they're celebrating that this terrible thing happened, because they can't change it. They can't go get their leg back. It's not coming back. No, no. And you think these worst case scenarios, you can choose to be the victim, and live your life in this depression. Or you can be like, I'm done with this. I'm moving on. This happened to me, it happened for me, and I've learned my lesson, and now I'm just gonna live my life with this being part of my story, but not being part of the victim. And like, all the beautiful things you can teach people going through these things. So like, losing a limb is a terrible example, but it proves a point That's right. That's right. It's like there's actually an Instagram influencer, and I'm not going to think of his name right now, but he's a quadriplegic. He can't get out. He's constantly speaking words of affirmation and encouragement, which is just breathtaking. You know, it's like the amount of work that that sweet man had to do to get to that place is impressive. It's a Right? Or maybe there wasn't much work. And he just chose he's like, I can't change the fact that I've lost all my limbs. Yeah. And why don't I be the example to people who are going through hard things in life and be like, Hey, look at this happened to me. Yeah. And I can still live a fulfilling life. Yeah, because we've always like painted this picture of what a perfect life looks like, especially in like the North American society. Like, you know, two kids, a dog, a white picket fence and mom and dad go to work nine to five and everybody's healthy and they die at 100 years old and they have 18 grandkids. When does this actually happen? Yeah, we're like, never, like, maybe like a handful of times has ever happened. So why not just make do with the life and the circumstances that we're given? And let this be either a mirror, holding up to ourselves being like, I got some work to do or to be the inspiration for Yeah, well, speaking of things like that, I know. So, I mean, you've been very open about overcoming limiting beliefs around money. What shifted for you and how do you now teach women to view money as a tool for freedom rather than a source Yeah, I think Oh my gosh, I mean, I'm not I don't want to unpack religion right now. But I'm going to talk about how I was raised in a household. My parents are my gosh, my dad will be 80 years old next week. And my parents have been together for like 56 years. So I was raised in a beautiful home. But I was taught that the money you have is the money you earned. So meaning like you clock in nine to five, you get paid for those hours and then maybe a little bit extra if you invest and you're smart with your money. But access is like having a private jet, owning 10 supercars, owning five properties, traveling the world, which is my life right now. And it sounds like glamorous and beautiful and some people might think that's wasteful. And I did too. At one point, I thought, gosh, if you have a supercar, you must be a greedy prick that took advantage of people to be able to earn a nice car to drive and a nice home to live in. And when my husband first got his first supercar, it was this bright orange McLaren. It was the first and maybe the only McLaren in our province at the time. And I was so embarrassed to be seen in it. Because I just assumed people think I'm either in that car because I'm with the man for Right. And it's like he was with me when he made the money to be able to buy this car. So let's talk about that story. And or that I'm the type of person that is so greedy. I have to walk all over all these people, take advantage of everybody in order to be able to have this money to buy a car. which is such a common dialogue or it's wasteful or it's greedy. And what I realized is that when I started to surround myself with other people and especially women that were able to go out and buy their supercars and buy beautiful homes and extravagant things and trips and private doctors. But also the amount that those women inspired others, the amount they Then I realized, oh, wait a second. We think about all these charities that do great things for other people that are funded by wealthy people. Yeah. Where does it come from? It does not fall from the sky. People are like, oh, wait, yes, that's right. The people that have a little extra, a little surplus donate to these charities and these nonprofits that are able to provide support to people and organizations that need them. Yes. And where it really dialed in for me, English was not even a year ago. This is crazy. This is very new to me. When my favorite day of 2024, the end of the year in December, when It was like, I don't even know what day in December is before Christmas. We drove around to four or five charities with gigantic checks. I remember unannounced. Yeah. Yeah. And we gave away in that day a quarter, a million dollars of our personal money to these organizations that we believed in that were helping at risk youth. Yeah. And that doesn't even speak to the other quarter, a million dollars that we gave away online to charities. Right. And so that was a moment when I was like, wait a second, if good people make a lot of money, they can do great things. So why don't we all just strive for that? And then it reminded me of the moment that I was coaching this woman back in 2017, and she really wanted to be a doula. And I was sitting down with her at one session. I was like, let's paint like this, this vivid vision of what a 10 out of 10 looks like. If you and I are meeting on the beach, drinking a Mai Tai or a bottle of water, whatever we like to drink, celebrating something you achieved in the last year. What are we celebrating? She's like, I don't know. I think I'm like making 50 or $55,000 a year. Yeah. And I go, what? I go, wait, what about a million? What about a million? Like just stretch it, like moonshot it and let's work backwards from there. And she turned to me in all seriousness and she said, well, that's selfish. And I was like, okay, let's reframe this. How about you write a check to yourself for $50,000 and you cut a check for $950,000 to your charity of choice. How does that feel? She goes, oh, And I go, how, how else do you think these nonprofits and charities are funded? How else do you think other people get like a hand up in these moments? And it was kind of like that moment for her. And the reason why $50,000 a year was comfortable because it was $5,000 a year, more than anybody she and her family ever made. Yeah. Yeah. So then I realized. The rich girl energy is not about having nice things, or it could be. It's not about having extravagant trips, or it could be. It's really about believing that you deserve everything you have in That mindset has been so helpful, I know, to so many women. It's been helpful to me. I mean, because I can totally relate to that. And we only know what we know. And a lot of the times, we're taught not to dream because maybe the people that raised us were afraid to, or they were told they couldn't, or that they were too afraid of how they'd be judged or how they would show up. And so they're like, Oh, well, you can't, you don't want to do that. And, and that's what we grew up thinking. And it takes like, it's almost like breaking generational cycles, maybe not in addiction, but in mindset, right, to be able to do that. 100%. And I think it needs to be taught, like, even for our kids and our kids, like, in our household, we always say to our boys, hey, we're rich or not. But let I'll give you the most priceless piece of advice and teaching you how to believe that you deserve the things and how to get And we share this with our community. We share this with all of our friends and our people. And like, everyone has that possibility within them. Most people just have to let go of the grooming and the conditioning they That's right. It's more unlearning than it is learning, right? Yeah. Well, around this, so many women struggle with the expectations. Speaking of traditional roles and mindset, they struggle with the expectations around being a wife, a mother, and a businesswoman. How do you rewrite those domestic role narratives in your own life? I have a feeling this has something I mean, rewriting those those rules, the expectations is just how oppressed and suppressed women have been and still are, that men still have an unfair advantage, and like extremely unconscious to a lot of our male counterparts who want the same for us too. Yep. But it's kind of just like, it's so hardwired and written in our DNA, that most people don't even know that it's happening. For women, it's really about being okay and stating what they want. It seems like such a simple thing. But I when I look at my friends, and I have a couple friends that are stay at home moms, and they live a beautiful life. But when I, when, like, when you know, the truth about them is they hate that role. They used to be entrepreneurs. They used to run businesses and they loved that. They just like that, that energy of showing up for a work, for a vision that they wanted to see come to life. And then they had kids and they just got comfortable and it made more sense somewhere. The conversation made more sense for them to stay home. And people are like, well, you have this beautiful car, you have this beautiful house, a healthy Exactly. Societal message, right? It's not that they're Right, right. They don't. It's the role. It's the expectation. It's meeting someone else's expectation, right? It really comes down to that. And I think that's big reason why my relationship with my husband is so good is because I've never wavered and saying, Hey, this is what I need and what I want. Yeah. Yeah. And I have an issue with this, this and this, and I don't say as an attack, I I know that you think, you know, maybe being a stay-at-home wife is a normal thing and it might make our house run more smoothly. I don't want that. So I'm not going to do that. And you're like, all right, okay. So then, well, we need the help here. So then we hire the house manager, we hire the traveling educator. So it really comes down to just speaking your truth. And having the confidence to just say it, but not in a accusatory way of just saying, Hey, this is how I feel and how I feel isn't right or wrong. It's just, it is what it is. And here's what I would Yeah, so peeling back layers of the onion. I mean, you have to have a partner that you can feel safe enough to share those things to because it's not always well received. And when you have a partner that also signs up for those more traditional roles, we should say, but in a more healthy relationship, the idea is they're receptive, right? Yeah. And I have a lot of friends that are stay at home moms and they love Love it. It's so good of it. And I admire them so much for it. It's the hardest job. It is. It's I remember thinking after I had my firstborn, I thought, I love this and I'm going to spend as much time with her. We had just moved from the Bay Area back to North Carolina. And I thought, well, I'm just going to stay home with her until I feel like I shouldn't. About five months in, I was like, yeah, I should probably start looking for something because I don't know how long this is gonna take, but I need to get out of the house a little bit. But I knew I needed that to show up as my best self, to be the best mom to her, right? Because I didn't wanna be feral. I get it, The society shames that. Yeah, yeah. But then they also shame a woman that isn't contributing financially. I just remember when I was in PA school, I just remember an extended family member just kept saying, I just don't know why you'd want to do that. And I thought, You don't know why I'd want to do it. You think I want to rely on someone else for my well being? Because that's basically what it would resign me to at least in my mind, because I had no backup plan. And So my the best comment that came my way and all this was a man that said, as I quote, paraphrase, what's the point on having kids if you're not there to raise them? Hmm. Yeah. And I'm like, dude, yeah. Remember the village? Remember the village when it was like, not one person's responsibility to raise their children? Because our society says it's the woman's job and nobody else's. Yeah, it's like, so where, like, what's in it for the woman. So there's, there's a big reason why there's a decline in birth rates, where there's an increase in divorce rates, especially for women in their 40s, where there's a low marital rate. Because women are like, I'm sorry, I don't want that. Yeah, yeah. So unless we can create some equality here, where a woman is seen not just because she can produce a child, but because she could actually contribute and grow businesses, get a job, go out and just be part of society, then like, it's really tough for For sure, for sure. I mean, and it's gonna look different for every woman. And you have to know yourself to know what the right fit is for you. You have to look inside, right? You're not gonna find the answer somewhere else. Well, my grandfather, who I adored, was such an amazing man. He was so nurturing, and I just, he was such a great problem solver. He grew up in poverty and became the CEO of a trucking company. And I just looked up to him so much. And then one day he said to me, You know, English behind every good man, there's a great woman. And so with that in mind, I mean, you're married to an incredibly energetic, productive guy, Dan Martell. And what I admire about you is how you supported him while also fiercely protecting your own successful business, your identity, your confidence and security. Can you share how you balance that partnership Oh, God, no, no, no. So a lot of people know of Dan because of his book. And they really like he's really like the hockey stick growth in terms of his influence has happened in the last three years. I've been with him for over 15 years. And when we got together, we were sharing a three bedroom apartment with two other roommates and we didn't have a Yeah. And when he started Clarity FM, which was, well, that was backed by some like really influential investors and which was like one thing that really put them on this map is what they didn't know is that I was a woman in the back end, creating spreadsheets, trying to connect people and like helping this startup. So, I mean, there was so much in this. But also he knew when we first started dating that I wasn't your typical person. I was deeply into personal development. I was deeply into like learning new things. I loved marketing. I wanted to try new things, take risks. Even my friends and family could never understand what I was doing. Yeah. So. I think, I mean, the way to describe the scenario is that there was kind of like two mountains that we were both climbing. There was our mountain together in our life, building our life together, and then there was individual mountains. His was bigger and steeper than mine because he would probably go and climb Everest when I'm like, I'll go and climb this escarpment over here and be totally fine with it. And the recognition of the fact that we don't need to be climbing the same mountains in order for us to have a great relationship was And what a great analogy. I love that. That's really beautiful. And it's so true. And again, it's such a gift that both of you guys could recognize that and respect each other's mountains, but also share one, you know, but he never ever failed to put me in the spotlight to say that without her support, I couldn't have There was never any doubt. He speaks highly of me in public and highly of me to my face. So that praise means a lot because anytime that he's like gaining, you know, miles over inches, I understand where my input was in that success. Does that liberty of like, you know, like the boomerang of coming and going of taking chances and me just understanding. I know you got this. There was a time when he like he came home and my boys are 11 months apart and I remember holding like a newborn and a one year old and he came up to me and he's like, hey, babe. You know, if we had to go and live in my dad's basement, because I lost it all. Cause I was gambling on this like business opportunity. Would you do it? I'm like a hundred percent. Like let's, let's go, let's go. So, you know, they say that easy robs you of pride. And I could not be more proud of the relationship that we have, the family that we have, because it's been so hard because we'd never took ever. And it's so clear that you've checked your ego at the door. I mean that, you know, we have to let that go to be able to lift other people and also lift ourselves, right? Because otherwise we're just precious little snowflakes and And it's like, it's kind of boring if it's just like, I don't know. It's boring if it's the same day, if it's the same conversations and it's the same challenges. Yeah. It's like I need something exciting. I think about the stories that I have to share. The chapters in my I know, I know. And I can so relate to the ongoing personal development, because that's how I feel. It's like, life is just so dull. If there's not, well, where are we going next? You know, and what's the next thing to do? How can I grow? How can I be better? It's, it's always interesting to me why you wouldn't want to be that way. Although we're all different people. So, yeah, we're all different people. But I also think that more of us are just stuck in the rhythm of our lives, because it's comfortable It's expected. Yes. You know what you're waking up to tomorrow. But imagine you can just be a little bit more adventurous. Yeah. Or like go against the grain. I love it. I mean, not to get too deep, but I always think about like, well, what will life be like when I die? Do I wanna lay there and think back, boy, I'm glad I slugged away at work every day, nine to five, or how do I wanna feel? And I think about the relationships and the work and the why and all of that, and that helps change perspective And especially in the world of entrepreneurship, people always talk about like leaving this legacy. I want to leave a legacy. I want to have a building named after me or a campus named after me or a street named after me, which is truly the It's like because when you're dead, you don't care. No, you don't. It should really be about what are the micro movements that I can do today to make this world a better place. It has nothing to do with your name smothered everywhere. That's right. It's really like, what is one thing like, here's an example, very tiny example. We have, um, two studio places in the innovation center in, in our hometown. And I moved from the fourth floor to the third floor to be in our venture studio. And I don't know why, but there are women on that floor that are so messy in the woman's bathroom. Super messy. So every time I'm in there, I take an extra literal two seconds to wipe down the sink and wipe down the countertop and clean up some little tidbits of paper on the floor so that when the next person walks in there, it looks clean. And it might be subconscious to them, or maybe it's openly conscious that this place is cleaner. But just imagine this could be that one little, little thing. That's right. That changes somebody's day. To influence or rub off on. That's it. Yeah. We all have this possibility. We do not need to be making a million dollars a year. It's just the kindness, the courtesy of taking every little step on a day-to-day basis to make the room, the place, the city that you're in just a little bit better because you That's right. That's right. Leave your mark. Well, and it's so, um, Oh, what was I going to say? Speaking, oh gosh, I lost my train of thought. I know, I'm like, I had a really good, oh, I know, sorry about that. I was like, where did I go? I got lost in leaving a mark and the cleanliness, because I love your standard. I mean, I'm like, heck yeah, girl. But I was thinking when you talked about micro movements and getting caught up in the day-to-day, which is so easy for so many, how do you set up structure in your life so that you don't get caught up in that? Because Oh yeah. I mean, there are days when I'm like clueless, like last night we went out for dinner and I was standing at the, like the person was taking my order and there was one thing on the menu I wanted. And she's like, sorry, we sold out of that. My brain went blank. And I'm like, and I was like, even Dan looked at me and he's like, well, what do you want? Bay? I was like, uh, he's like, it's okay. I got you. And then ordered for me. So it's like, It can't be every single day. Yeah. But like the more you do it, it becomes subconscious that you're doing it. Yeah. And here's the thing. There's a lot of people that are like homeless or unhoused. Right. And they, and they ask for money. They ask for stuff. And we see this a lot in Barcelona. It's not so much about the extra quarter or dollar you give them so much as the eye contact, the smile and the recognition that I see you. Yeah. And that. arguably is worth more than the money you give them. Yes, 100%. And even how hard is it? Yeah, how hard is it for us to do that? For anybody? And just like smiling, I see you, I recognize you're a human being, you're suffering through stuff, too. And you're winning through other things. Why can't we I agree. I used to like to watch my kids see me hand, and this may sound silly, but given the dynamic and where we were in our life and the influence they were under, I was like, I'm going to make sure that they see me talk to this homeless person and hand them a banana or hand them whatever I had in my car. So that would, again, that type of action and behavior would rub off on them, you know? So I mean, when you're talking about the micro moments of changing up your day so you don't get caught up, do you journal? Do you meditate? What So my like my 10 out of 10 day. is not necessarily what I've experienced since we started traveling. The morning is just like an ease and flow. I love having my cup of coffee and I love reading my book and journaling. It's kind of like this, this graceful entrance into the day. And then it's the gym and then it's my power hour with my family. I love making the boys breakfast and just sitting with them. Like we played cards and, and then just warming up to the day. I know that in our society, especially, it's always like, get up, go catch the bus, boom, boom, boom. And it's like our cortisol levels are the highest in the morning. So why are we putting so much pressure on ourselves to get up and go? So this gradual entrance to the day is the biggest blessing in the world schooling or homeschooling world. And it's working out. And I love this because I get to work Oh, that's it. And like, I love checking them out, too. I'm not going to lie at the gym. There you go. And then just like then diving into work. And also what I'm I'm learning in this transition is that, you know, we were granted a, quote, eight hour work day, where there's like this pressure, whether you realize it or not, to like be productive for at least eight hours a day. And for what? It was this construct that was created by the Industrial Revolution where they wanted people in a factory to build the bits and pieces and the parts to go in the things and they needed to create these shifts. It doesn't work with knowledge based workers. It works if you have a business that requires you to be open from like whatever hours, if you have like retail or banks, but it's not necessary for most businesses. And even Cal Newport, who is an incredible writer and podcaster pointed out that most creatives and thinkers and knowledge-based workers can't work for more than 57 minute intervals up to a max of like three of those intervals a day. And so I took his word for it and I said, how long do my days actually have to be with like deep work? And I can get so much done in two hours. Then I jump onto these calls and recordings and I'm done by 5 p.m. Barcelona time. And my husband is waiting for me down in the lobby for us to go for dinner. Like it's a blessing, but also know that we created this life. It wasn't given to us. We put in the work to get to this point. And That's right. That's right. Well, I want to ask you about the Pink Skirt Project, but real quick, I mean, a lot of women that are listening are trying to break cycles of scarcity, self-doubt, over-functioning, or not enoughness. What would you say is a practical way to break those cycles, or what is the first thing you'd I think being friends with women like English is like Renee, honestly, one of the and if not the thing that breaks these cycles when you can rub shoulders with women who are already doing the thing that you want to achieve is like. And women for women, because you can't really get this with a bunch of bros that are already and have always experienced this. So, and it's also like believing that you deserve it. And it's not like, it's not like expecting the outcome of somebody's life who's put like a decade into like the personal development and the wealth creation. It's like, just being around those type of people. And that's why we created the Pink Skirt Project Summit. The society is like instilling that possibility that everybody can achieve it. It doesn't happen overnight. But even just believing that just for a moment, a day, two days, they can be in a room surrounded by other women that also want that for each other. is the biggest thing. And it also means maybe it's disassociating with certain friend groups or certain communities or even certain family members because they don't even want that for you. And that's often the hardest part of it all. But you can find that one girl that one woman that's like, I see you. Yeah, I know you deserve more. And I believe in you. They're like your biggest cheerleader. And like the biggest blessing in life. And I could not have done that with my girls. Like I, I have those women, you've had the honor of meeting some of those women, you've now become one of those women is just being there and knowing like, these are the people that are going to blow wind in my wings. and not expect anything in return, but just hope that I soar as far as I can possibly go because they want that for me. And I feel like as a woman, that's like warm sunshine for our souls. Don't you agree? Yes. I mean, it's really, when it really hits like that, I'm getting chills talking about it, but there's really, it's hard to describe another experience like that than to have the camaraderie of other women that have experienced life on this side of the gender thing, whatever you want to call it. and also playing the bazillion roles because we all know, I mean, there's been studies that demonstrate that women are great multitaskers and men are great with tunnel vision. They're great focusing on one thing at a time. And we like the combo projects. And speaking of, tell us more about the Pink Skirt Project. And you've alluded to what it is, but tell us what it So quick unpack of the story was back in like 2017 ish. I was at a dinner with a bunch of girlfriends and we were all going around the table talking about what success looks like. And I had this like very clairvoyant image. It was like this download. Like I got like a laser shot into my brain of me standing on a stage in a bright pink skirt in front of thousands of women getting a standing ovation. But it had nothing to do with what I had accomplished, but something that what we had done collectively. And I was like, Oh, it was great. Like I was growing my agency at the time and the kids were still young. And I was like, there's, I just don't have this capacity to follow this like weird vision. And then two years later, I was at an event called the alt summit in Palm Springs, which is like for creatives. And part of the show was to have fashion designers do like runway shows. And I first time ever sitting next to a runway and for this designer called House of Perna. And the first model that walked down the stage was like wearing the pink skirt of my vision. It's like, Whoa. And I go, Oh, okay. That's a sign. That's a sign. So what do I do with this information? right? If you start to like, try to figure this out. Yeah. And I kept telling the story to my girlfriends. I'm like, well, what is it? I'm like, I don't know. And we actually went down this rabbit hole, partnered with a friend and it was going to become a Netflix documentary. We were going to pitch Netflix or crave or prime. And we had a producer and it was going to be like this mini series of like what a man means to be a successful female entrepreneur. And I'm like, That's their vision, that's not mine. And this vision was given to me with such intensity because I was supposed to see it through. And then finally one day I was like, turned to my husband, I was like, I need to have this event. It needs to happen. And we hosted the inaugural Pink Skirt Project Summit last June in Kelowna with over 300 women. It was electrifying. So essentially what it is is like the pink skirt is the the icon of what it means to like put on the armor to go and do the crazy scary thing that you know is something you need to do, but you didn't have a conviction before. So great. And we've actually created June 12th as the official International Pink Skirt Day, where you go put on your pink skirt and you go do something scary. Can't wait. Can't wait. And it's evolved. And so we did this event because we didn't know what it would become. And now it's a coaching program called The Society and an even bigger event next I've got my tickets. I can't wait to be there. It's going to be so awesome. I know I wanted to come last year, but I had already. So I met Dan before I met you and I had already bought into Empire Builders. And just from a travel perspective, I was like, I can't leave my kids with the way the weeks corresponded just I know it was so some people came back for that because they were like, what, Oh, it's gonna be killer. I can't wait because the energy from that event Yeah, it but you know, it's crazy because people ask me after the event was done. They're like, so how was it? How do you feel? And I felt so much pressure to have this like overjoyed reaction. And I'm like, I'd actually went exactly as I envisioned it going. So I don't know what I'm supposed to say to this. So all that to say is like, the meaning is in the message. And if you have something that's like, I need to do this thing, I need to do thing. do it. Worst case scenario, it fails. Yeah. But also, if you know what it looks like, because this was actually the test of me saying no to other people's ideas for what this could be. And me saying no, is needs to look like this. Yeah. And then crossing the finish line with that mean like, told you so. It I love that. I love that. But I mean, of course it worked out. I feel like when we are true to our intuition, which you clearly had. I mean, a woman's intuition is next level when you really acknowledge it for what it is. And the fact that you were able to truly listen, and not only listen, but to not be influenced. Because I don't know if you're into Myers-Briggs, but like, I'm an intuitive piece, and I'm an ENTJ. And so the N for intuitive and the T for thinking, I can think myself out of that intuition. Or you can be influenced by others' bias. So kudos to you for following that. And I mean, that's such an illustration of your standards and your confidence and knowing who you are. That's just Oh, yeah. And it's like, it's an interesting time, you know, doing an event. And people saying you can't put it all in on an event, people don't make money on their first event, they go in the red, or they break even, and we profited. So it's also to say, like, just because there's like data to support the fact that most people in these circumstances would No. And you had that knowing this when you have that, that's it Yeah. So so like the knowingness, the here's the test if the knowingness is really true, is when you're faced with like, the toughest situations, like those crap sandwiches. Yep. And yes, it's tough. But it's like, it just goes through you so easily. You process it so quickly and doesn't affect you. Yep. Next like, oh, you know, $10,000 bill. We didn't expect. You're like, oh yeah. I had boyfriends. But like the$10,000 bill you didn't expect. And it comes in and you're like, okay. Oh yeah. I can see where I made that mistake. Try to fight. It didn't win, pay it off, move on. It's like, we won't do that again next time. So the knowing is like, it's intuition and women are more intuitive. Men make most decisions from their head. And the problem with that is that they get so analytical about stuff. And if they make a mistake, like, oh, I should have gone with Never, never, never is so true. Well, Renee, thank you so much for this conversation. It was such a masterclass in confidence, identity, and the power of rewriting the stories that we tell ourselves. And I love how you remind us that confidence isn't something that we find, it's something we build by showing up with intention, persistence, and self-belief. To everyone listening, I hope you walk away remembering that your self-worth isn't defined by what you do, but who you become in the process. Renee, thank you for bringing your heart and your brilliance and your honesty to the Curated Confidence. Tell our listeners where they can find you and where they can learn more Hmm. Well, first of all, thank you for having me. And you are just the most exquisite compliment to this community of the pink skirt project. You're like the epitome of it. So, um, they can find me on Instagram Renee underscore Warren And be sure to follow her podcast into the wild. It is so helpful. I promise you won't regret it. Just thumb through. They're wonderful. Thanks Renee. You guys have a great day. Wait, wait, before you go, thank you so much for joining me on the Curated Confidence today. If this conversation sparked something within you, please don't keep that transformation to yourself. Share this episode with a friend, subscribe so you never miss a dose of Curated Confidence, and please leave us a quick review wherever you listen. It truly helps us reach more incredible women like you. Until next time, remember to keep showing up fully, stand tall in your truth, and masterfully curating your